Stage 7 – Cylinders outside

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The three holes are for the two location dowels and the bore centre
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The part is mounted in the four jaw and bored to fit the valve chest. After facing the part is remounted on a fixture and set up on the rotary table to be counterbored off centre with a radius at the base forming the cavity around the valve chest.
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Milling operations complete the passageway, with a ball nose cutter to finish the internal corners.
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The cylinder face is milled while still on the rotary table
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The outside edge is then milled to radius
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The sides are also milled to size and the part turned over to radius the outer edge with a corner rounding cutter
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Machining complete on all eight steam passages
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They were heated and split
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A pair are in place on a cylinder but not fixed
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Gresley designed cylinders had a cast in back cover so the next components to make were these. They are a simple turning exercise and have a spigot on the cylinder side to locate, with a thin flange on the outer face to make them appear flush with the cylinder back when dressed off.
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Components are temporarily fixed using 10 ba studs. The parts are clamped together and tapping size holes drilled as necessary, tapped and the stud screwed in. This is normally sufficient to keep things together till silver soldered. Two of the back covers in place
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Now at the point where the cylinder could have its first stage of silver soldering. All areas that would be better if they were not coated in solder were painted with correcting fluid (Tippex in this case)
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The joints were then treated to a generous coating of flux, in this case HT5 because I fancied the operation might take some time.
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Also - The joints were then treated to a generous coating of flux, in this case HT5 because I fancied the operation might take some time.
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Here's a cylinder set up on the hearth for the first stage
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The silver soldered cylinders were cleaned up in a pickle of citric acid and because the soldering operation was difficult with areas that were not in direct sight it was essential to hydraulic pressure test to ensure there were no gaps in the joints. Figure 16 shows the hydraulic test set up. The arrow identifies the position of a leak to be rectified on the next heat up.
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Cut outs were made in the cylinder end plates to make way for the exhaust passages from the ends of the valve chest to the already machined openings in the back plate. The sides of these were angled as required using the Dremel and files.
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Also - Cut outs were made in the cylinder end plates to make way for the exhaust passages from the ends of the valve chest to the already machined openings in the back plate. The sides of these were angled as required using the Dremel and files.
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2mm brass sheet was machined to make a pair of side plates to neatly fit the valve chest flange.
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After splitting these were shaped and bent to make the outer side walls of the passages.
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Inner plates were made up similarly and fitted and stiffeners were made and fitted fitted as the prototype. The S shaped passage bases were labouriously cut, filed and bent to shape and clamped in position before inserting the 10 BA fixings.
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An open cylinder end, masked, fluxed and ready to solder. Then on the hearth being silver soldered.
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Also - An open cylinder end, masked, fluxed and ready to solder. Then on the hearth being silver soldered.
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Once all the fronts were done the brackets for mounting the slidebars were needed so they could be silver soldered at the same heating as the backs. The cylinders were mounted vertically on the mill and two holes were drilled to locate the brackets.
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The brackets were machined from phosphor bronze with two 10 BA tapped holes in the back Figure 25 shows all six complete with fixing holes for the top slidebar and for the side support ready to be fitted.
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The components for the slidebar bracket
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A cylinder rear with the slidebar support assembled.
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At this point I needed to start machining the partly built cylinders so the next parts to be fitted were in the correct positions. After careful measurement of the relationship between the cylinder and valve bores listed here
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I made a setting tool that could be clamped to the cylinder to use to orientate them correctly for further machining and using the mandrel previously made for machining and testing the cylinders, they were set up on the rotary table. The setting tool was clamped to the cylinder and used with the dial gauge to ensure the bores were correctly positioned.
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Also - the setting tool was clamped to the cylinder and used with the dial gauge to ensure the bores were correctly positioned.
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A reference face was machined to be used for future set ups
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At the same set up a 3/16" end mill was used to plunge mill the recesses for the lagging fixings around the inside of the end plates.
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Brass inserts were made and drilled for tapping 10 BA and fixed, each secured by a 10 BA stud through the side.
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The tops of the exhaust passages were fitted ready for the next silver soldering operation. Each passage was traced on to paper, cut out and glued to 2mm sheet brass, a process already used but not photographed for the floors of the passages. Care was taken to keep the gaps small as the silver solder would need to bridge these.
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Next the seats for the cylinder drain cock flanges were drilled part depth and counter bored.
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Pieces of bronze were machined to the correct radius for the cylinders and drilled for the cylinder drain passage and the drain cock fixing studs.
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Also - pieces of bronze were machined to the correct radius for the cylinders and drilled for the cylinder drain passage and the drain cock fixing studs.
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Cut into sets of 4 these were profiled in the milling machine to produce the flanges for the drains.
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Also - cut into sets of 4 these were profiled in the milling machine to produce the flanges for the drains.
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Also - cut into sets of 4 these were profiled in the milling machine to produce the flanges for the drains.
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These were attached by the usual method.
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The main steam inlets were bored next. As they enter with a considerable off set on the steam chest they were set up in the milling machine and bored with a centre cutting end mill.
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The inlet flanges were made now and turned up from in bronze.
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They were then screwed onto a mandrel and the boring head was used to create the matching profile to the steam chest.
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To locate them on the steam chests a brass stud was screwed into the inlet and finally secured with a blind nut and a couple of 8 BA studs for security. Note also the brass bar fitted along the top of the cylinder for fixing the footplate angle.
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The cylinder was then masked and fluxed ready for the final silver soldering operation.
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After the soldering the cylinder looks a bit of a mess before being pickled.
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Following the clean up the cylinders were hydraulically tested to 200psi to ensure they were mechanically sound.
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The middle cylinders were now on the programme, and planning ahead it could be seen that the smokeboxes would be needed soon to help with making the smokebox saddle, which on the Gresley pony truck engines is integral with the middle cylinder. After searching for suitable steel tubing and discovering that I could get thick walled imperial cheaper than thinner walled metric, two pieces of 7 inch OD tube were obtained. These had 3/8" wall thickness so there was a lot of material to be removed to get the 9/32" wall thickness needed and I wasn't sure how long that would take on the Super 7, if indeed it could do the job anyway. Good friend Allan Bones came to my rescue with the offer of the use of his 6" Harrison. I last used one of these lathes when I was at school, where we had two brand new machines. Whilst Allan's machine has clearly been well used, it proved well capable of machining the smokeboxes to a high standard of finish and accuracy. The following photographs show the process of machining, taking a few afternoons over a three weeks period. Machining the outside. Note Allan's extractor duct to get rid of the smoke from the cutting oil.
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Smokebox outside finished.
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Starting the bore.
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Bored as far as the short tool can go.
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Deepening the bore with a longer tool.
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Smokebox reversed to complete the bore.
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Bore completed.
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One down and one to start.
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Rather than show you a picture of an engine with the smokebox in place on my untidy bench, I thought this photograph, taken at the Main Line Rally at Gilling, was more interesting. The K3 is seen standing next to Geoff Moore's award winning 2-8-2 of LNER Class P1 No 2393. If my locos are just half as good as Geoff's mikado, I will be well pleased.

Note 2 – The outside cylinders

After the 2013 Harrogate Exhibition, I made a start on the outside cylinders.

I eventually concluded that the cylinders would need to be fabricated because there were no suitable castings available. I had looked at the Enterprise and V2 castings for the Martin Evans designs and those for the V2 from Michael Breeze, but whilst these were well enough designed none had the ability to properly represent the prototype design used for the LNER pony truck locomotives.

In the early designs like the K3s and O2s the three cylinders were separate, the outside bolted to the frames, which had a large cut out each side into which the inside cylinder was located. This was bolted to the outside cylinders. This created a massive and very stiff assembly that I wanted to replicate on the models.  Later engines were fitted with a single casting (the monoblock) for the three cylinders

I spent a lot of time deciding on the materials and looked at cast iron, steel and bronze. I ultimately discarded cast iron due to the difficulties associated with joining it. I have silver soldered and brazed cast iron, but it is a process that can be unreliable, and I considered it would be liable to serious problems on such complex fabrications.

Steel was a much more attractive prospect but having discussed it with a number of experienced model engineers who were concerned about the cylinder friction and corrosion issues and who suggested cast iron liners in the cylinders which would have created issues with cylinder wall thickness or maintenance of scale bore dimensions, I concluded that bronze cylinders with brass supporting sections would be the way to go

I’d actually drawn the cylinders about 15 years before, mostly during lunch breaks at work, until the use of non-company software on our computers was banned. The details were put together from the H4 and K3 GAs, photographs of them under construction and a certain amount of knowledge I had from working on the full sized A4 and some drawings where a lot of the details were LNER standards. I didn’t actually get a drawing of the K3 cylinders until after I had started construction and I was surprised to discover I hadn’t done too badly and decided not to change what I had done and accept the minor deviations from prototype.

I have shown the outside cylinder GA and drawings of the individual components to give some idea of what you are seeing in the following photographs. These are the original drawings and some changes have been made to simplify the assemblies as the work progressed.

Following the 2014 exhibition work eventually got underway properly again in July. Perhaps retirement at the end of July speeded things up but it didn’t feel like it at the time. Looking through the photographs shows that a lot of progress was made, to the extent that I have only taken this instalment as far as the end of February 2015. So the following describes the majority of the work on the outside cylinders and the primary machining of the smokeboxes .